Satyam Computers: 7,000 crore fraud
Wednesday, January 7, 2009
Satyam Computers Chairman Ramalinga Raju resigned from Satyam Board and accepted huge fraud in Satyam Books. This is the biggest scam in the history of corporate India. Andhra Pradesh Government already ordered for CBCID enquiry and many deals of Maytas will be reviewed. Q3 results by Corporate India will also come under scanner. Ram Mynampati will act as interim CEO of Satyam Computers.
Satyam ADR lost 99.89% of value in NASDAQ. Satyam was replaced by Reliance Capital in the Nifty. BSE removed Satyam Computers from Sensex and replaced it with Sun Pharma. Many Companies are reviewing Satyam contracts on daily basis. Vianale (Satyam ADR holder) already filed a lawsuit in USA.
Many FIIs and Mutual funds along with Companies like L&T lost crores of money in Satyam stock. It is difficult to estimate how investors will react when all these news will come out with exact amount of losses. No one expected this magnitude of fraud in Satyam Computers books.
Ramalinga Raju is our new "Harshad Mehta." What happened to our famed financial journalists?
Satyam ADR lost 99.89% of value in NASDAQ. Satyam was replaced by Reliance Capital in the Nifty. BSE removed Satyam Computers from Sensex and replaced it with Sun Pharma. Many Companies are reviewing Satyam contracts on daily basis. Vianale (Satyam ADR holder) already filed a lawsuit in USA.
Many FIIs and Mutual funds along with Companies like L&T lost crores of money in Satyam stock. It is difficult to estimate how investors will react when all these news will come out with exact amount of losses. No one expected this magnitude of fraud in Satyam Computers books.
Ramalinga Raju is our new "Harshad Mehta." What happened to our famed financial journalists?
Request to readers: We need more whistle blowers in India. If you are a whistle blower and know some thing about your management acts or have access to inside information, just send your information to me (dr.nvkrishna@gmail.com), I will publish the fraud in the blog without your details.
Many experts are thinking that total scam will be around Rs 7,000 crore. They inflated bank balance and cash reserves for so many years. Satyam management will conduct press meet in the next 24 hours. What will they say? Board meet will be held on January 10th. Ramalinga Raju is an icon for our generation especially in Andhra Pradesh.
Request to SEBI: Promoters and Investment bankers should announce to stock exchanges when any insider pledges shares to take loans within 24 hours. All the promoters and other insiders should come out with full details of their already pledged shares immediately to whom they pledged and at what price. SEBI and the exchanges should made this rule a mandatory one for any Company to list in the Stock Exchanges. We need more transparency and Corporate governance.
Company reported operating margin of Rs 640 crore against Rs 64 crore. Raju himself said that we committed this fraud to save us from the scam in Satyam books which was done over many years. He and his sons took unnecessary risks in Real Estate and Construction. They recently grabbed all the major construction projects in Andhra Pradesh. Even Andhra pradesh Chief Minister publicly came out in support of Maytas Infra just 3 days back. Why?
Read this excellent article by Economic Times on the involvement of politicians in the Satyam Scam.
Read this excellent article by Business Standard on how Mutual Funds lost crores of money due to Satyam Scam.
Read this good article by Mint on Satyam fraud.
Times of India article on Satyam and Andhra Government:
If this news will come out Stock Markets will collapse and investors will lose faith in Stocks. Mutual Funds might have made huge money if some one might have acquired Satyam Computers. But Ramalinga Raju spoiled all their plans.
Mutual funds that might have lost huge money in Satyam Computers:
1. Sundaram BNP Paribas.
2. ICICI Mutual fund.
3. HDFC Mutual Fund
4. Tata Mutual Fund
5. Franklin Templeton Mutual Fund
6. We need more clarity on the issue and the amount of losses by other Mutual funds.
Satyam Stock price:
Satyam Stock lost 77% of value and is ended the day at 40. 14 crore shares were traded in the BSE Sensex while 33 crore shares were traded in the Nifty. Satyam stock is now trading at a P/E of 1.5. IL and FS trust sold the pledged shares (by management) and promoters now hold just 1.3% stake in the Company.
Satyam ADR in NASDAQ: It was ended at 0.01 (lost 99.89% of value) in NASDAQ on Wednesday. It may touch zero levels in both Sensex and Nifty on Friday. Who will buy it? Can Government save investors and employees?
Source: Google Finance.
3. LIC has around 5% stake and sold just 40,000 shares. LIC may lose more than Rs 1,500 crore in Satyam Computers (estimates). I don't know at what price LIC bought Satyam Computers. Even a lay man knew IT is a bad sector even for next 2 years. I don't know LIC rationale to have such a large stake in an IT company even before this scam.
Who are managing LIC investments in Stock Markets? They does not even known basic ethics and rules about stock markets.
Basic unwritten rule in stock markets:
Never hold even a single stock when a fraud was broken out in a Company. Exit immediately even with big losses. That's why Swiss Finance exited from Satyam with Rs 500 crore losses. That's why Aberdeen Investments exited with more than Rs 1,000 crore losses (estimates).
4. AP Government will probe about Maytas financial position and Satyam fraud and may cancel all its contracts. This is the Government which allotted land to Satyam at Rs 1 lakh per acre in Vizag (market price is Rs 1 crore per acre). This is the Government which allotted Hyderabad Metro project to Maytas despite objections by experts like Sridharan of Delhi Metro. Sridharan shouted about big "Real Estate scam" at that time but A.P Government successfully silenced him with the help of Central Government.
5. Ramalinga Raju is now in Texas and may be arrested after his return from USA. But some sources are saying that he is still in Hyderabad and has in touch with his community leaders and politicians (Times of India).
BSE Sensex lost 750 points (7.2%) in just 3 hours after the Satyam fraud news was broke out. Nifty lost 6% of value and ended the day at 2920. Infosys, BEL and HUL are some major stocks that ended in the green. Real Estate and IT stocks suffer major losses. BSE IT index lost 9% of value. Many real estate stocks lost 15-18% of values.
Chart courtesy: Guruji.
What is worrying is the fact that Government and NASSCOM are still trying to fool us by stating this as an isolated incident in stead of cleaning the system.
Read Ramalinga Raju letter to Satyam Board:
Satyam Raju Letter
Read Ramalinga Raju letter at Google documents.
Special thanks to Arun Verghese for sending me this letter.
Confidence is dented and trust is broken. Retail investors just account for 2% of Stock market investments. It is difficult for stock markets to attract new customers. Raju will face charges in USA as Satyam stock is also listed in the NASDAQ.
Do you know that Satyam's Internal Audit team has joined the elite list of companies across the world to have received "Recognition of Commitment Award (ROC)" from "The Institute of Internal Auditors, USA (IIA)". Satyam also received corporate Governance award in 2008. Who will believe these awards in future?
Read the audit report of Satyam Computers in March, 2008. Price Waterhouse are the Chartered Accountants.
This news will have huge implications. Foreign regulators will take serious action and the Ramalinga Raju family will be in serious trouble.
This is my article on Satyam Computers when Maytas news was broke out.
My advice: 15 stocks that may shock investors.
SEBI should do enquiry on these stocks also. If SEBI did enquiry, we will find many companies like Satyam.
Huge implication on FDI, Indian Stock Markets, Out sourcing. What will happen to 50,000 employees of Satyam Computers? Will the foreign companies continue to outsource to Satyam?
How they did it over such a long time? If a scam of this magnitude can happen in such a major company, what about small and mid caps. Unimaginable!
We need complete overhaul of system, accounting standards and company books to keep the confidence of investors on Stock Markets.
Current fall in stock markets may be triggered by Satyam fiasco. But this is an inevitable fall. Recent stock market rally is triggered by brokers by giving positive statements in a systematic way to lure innocent investors. Simple question to analysts. Everyone knew that economy deteriorated to unimaginable levels. Then why stock markets are rising?
Investors should believe in their research and gut feeling but not in broker's advice. Why any broker will tell you to stay away from stock markets and spoil his business?
Sensex at 10,200 on January 6th, 2009 = Sensex at 21,000 on January 12th, 2008. But there is no difference in the downside left.
Where is the positive news that will give boosting and confidence to the companies and investors But stock markets sometimes behave in strange ways over short term. Fundamentals will alone save you.
I don't believe in: I am once again saying that I don't believe in those resistances and supports. I don't believe in trading. I don't know why any one buy derivatives. You will lose your lifetime earnings in a few days in stocks.
I believe in: Fundamentals of the company, Fundamentals of the business and fundamentals of the economy. Fundamentals will alone save you. Stock markets may move above or below the fundamentals over short term but finally come to real price.
Every stock has some price according to the fundamentals. That price will change according to the changing economic landscape and future prospects.
Examples.
1. Larsen and Toubro is a good company. It commanded a valuation of 30-40 in the bull market. But it is now struggling to command a premium of 15-20. Why? This is not due to the Company but due to weak economic land scape.
2. Price is important but not others. ICICI Bank is the worst stock to buy at 500 but good buy at 300. Same stock but different advice due to price. Price at which you are entering is crucial.
3. Reliance Industries: This is a bad stock to buy when crude is around Rs 30. But good short term investment when Israel attacked Palestina. Only short term.
4. Timing: I am repeatedly saying that investing in a good company is not enough. Every stock will fall when panic sets in. Value is very important. Only mad investors and speculators will buy stocks at above 10,000 Sensex levels.
5. One investor asked me this question: "You wrote that Sensex will fall and Don't buy stocks. But stocks are rising and rising. Can I buy?". What can I say? Stock Markets sometimes move in opposite direction to the fundamentals because of "big guys" who still have major say in the market movements. We should not change our decision because of stock movements. We should always stick to our price.
Never do trading. Your earnings will be wiped out in a few sessions. Always believe in investing. Those days of buy and forget have gone. These are the dynamic days. Things are now changing in a few days.
Derivatives are prepared by intelligent brokers for the benefit of the brokers. Why are you helping them by doing trading? There is a big difference between short term investment and trading.
I know many investors who bought Satyam at Rs 120-130 but are still holding them at 180. They now lost all the profits. This greed will spoil good returns. When you get good returns over short term, exit it without thinking about upside.
Never understimate stock markets and underlying fundamentals of the company and business. Never become greedy. We don't know the complete fraud details in Satyam books. In the upcoming results season, everyone will keep a hawk's eye on the Companies and managements.
Worst statement: This is an isolated incident - Kamal Nath, Indian Commerce minister. Instead of cleaning the system, they want to bury the truth.
I repeatedly wrote in the blog that we will hear more such news in the coming days. It is good if CLSA gives more clarity on this research article on 15 Indian Companies. SEBI failed to take significant action on JP Associates and SRF after their recent decisions. Just see what Hiranadani did!
Government should take quick measures to revive the trust in the system. Otherwise effects of the Raju's fraud will be longer and severe.
Many largest stake holders exited from Satyam today but LIC is still positive on the company (On TV). Many investors are buying ULIPs from LIC. That is life.
Quote: Satyam is India's Enron and Raju is India's Madoff.
Request to Copycats: Please at least mention the source of the article.
Just see. How economy took the life of World 92nd richest man . No one will be spared. Read this article to know about his sentiment in death.
Must read articles:
1. This news will have huge implications on Economy and Stock Markets.
2. Zero growth in China in 2009. I am unable to believe it.
3. 35% drop in U.S equity underwriting - Brad Hintz.
Recession news:
1. 6,93,000 jobs lost in December in USA - ADP Employer Services’ report. Shocking number!
2. Google will lay off temporary workers. Lenovo will lay off 11% of work force.
3. Intel announced disappointing results.
4. Satyam fraud will have huge implications on Indian Stock markets.
5. There is already liquidity problem in the markets. This incident will have huge impact on FIIs who have 20% stake in the Indian Companies. Satyam wounds will take some time to heal. In Andhra pradesh, Satyam is an icon for our generation. It is very difficult to convince them about stock market investments. Harshad Mehta scam left a huge impact on my father's generation. Traditionally, Indians are averse about Stock Markets.
6. Temasek lost $2 billion in Merrill Lynch.
7. Aberdeen might have lost more than more than 1,000 crore in Satyam Computers.
8. View this Medscape poll to know about how recession is even affecting healthcare industry.
Image courtesy: Guruji and NASDAQ.
My comment: If an investor bought Satyam stock today means he is either a speculator or a trader. Never do any of such activities in stock markets. Take an oath. Both will spoil your life. Stock markets are investment vehicles but not gambling centers. Always invest in stocks. Never speculate. There are enough opportunities for investors in stocks. Concentrate on research and fundamentals but not on speculation.
Big lesson: Stock markets are the most dynamic investment vehicles. Your yearly earnings will be wiped out in few hours. 50% hourly gains/losses occur only in stock markets. Buy and forget will not work in these days.
When an experienced investor from Pune called me 4 months back and said about many bad things about Indian promoters. I argumented with him at that time. His words are right.
Don't be fooled by Raju's letter. There are so many interwoven scams in the Satyam saga. Even some state Governments might have been involved in this scam, according to Telugu TV channels. That's why truth may never come out in this scam. After some hectic activity, truth will be buried under carpet by politicians.
Do you know? Harshad Mehta assets were auctioned after 16 years.
When will Government recover huge land bank of Raju family and auction it and return the money to Satyam's investors. They are rumoured to have 10,000 acres of land bank. So, Satyam family is safe but investors are real losers.
Latest rumor: Ramalinga Raju wrote in the letter about "voluntary hiking of cash reserves and operating profits by cooking books". But rumor is they diverted the cash to real estate and construction projects. They thought that by going to "Maytas Properties IPO", they will collect huge money from investors and pay the debts. But the collapse of Real Estate market spoiled all the family's "Big" plans. So many big families in Andhra pradesh may bankrupt after Satyam saga.
Only hope: Nothing come out of Satyam management meeting. They have not even given guarantee to pay salarees to employees. But this scam involves Andhra Pradesh politicians. Will these big politicians will save us? We have to see how things will pan out.
We have to see what will happen to other Hyderabad based Companies like Nagarjuna Constructions (Nagarjuna Raju), Lanco Infra (Congress M.P) and GMR Infra and how investors will treat these Companies.







38 comments:
should we sell at ths level now or you feel should wait for any actions
Mohit, are you still holding this stock? No one should not even look at this stock irrpsective of earnings.
One should be lucky if it gains.
I have around 100 Stocks was not able to sell as I learned the news late when stock was at 46 levels.
Iam a fresh investor and i would like to buy satyam shares for long term.what do you think sir.
Hi Dr Krishna,
Can we buy satyam at Rs 32 which looks damn cheap.
I know there are lot of bad news around but definitely some IT companies are going to take over it which will bring the satyam price to a resonable level.
Thanks Dr krishna for your valuable input.
i gained Rs 900. i buyed 100 @ 63 and sold @ 72. took risk.
Respect the market. :)
New investor wants to buy stocks like Satyam. Some things will never change in Stock markets.
I have bought satyam shares at 63/-
How long can i hold them??
Hello Dr. Krishna,
Is there more downside on Satyam in terms of share price?
Thanks
LIC still confident about Satyam's potential as a Co
http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/lic-still-confident-about-satyams-potential-asco/375185
Krishna you dint reply to one of the comments,one of the fresh investor wants to buy satyam shares for long term,what do you think...
This is second biggest scam after daewoo which was 10k cr's fraud.
if this goes on happening where do we investors invest money ?.
Dear Doctor,
I don’t have words to credit u. I can here the pain and anger u holding for us from your words. I can not stop this comment with out an example as you howling for the mass retail investors, like an eyewitness of any calamity crying for save the victims. Really….. Really nice of u Doctor…..
I would like to conclude the real intention behind your aggressive statements, for all those readers including those stupidest. Its a call of obligation to the innocent mass investors who are putting the entire life time savings for a worthy income. Some for their daughter’s marriage…. some to make a shelter…. some to get out from debts …. some really and exactly to get the LIFE back.
Sincerely thanking you
Shabu
its a quick post...keep moving
Kudos to Dr.Krisna. You are really amazing by bringing all those full blown details with in no time. Thank you vey much for sharing your views.
"Raju himself said that we committed this fraud to save us from the scam in Satyam books which was done over many years."
At last Raju told one 'Satyam' (truth). He also stated in the letter that he or his family didn't sell any shares. He did this for the sake of company interests. This is very unfortunate. Now he is becoming victim for this. He has taken many initiatives to develop rural India.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123134866776561271.html
I agree with you krishna Fundamentals are the most important, Trading trends are followed by the sentiments and not by the actual value and growth prospects of a company.
Where do you see market going from here do you feel that market can sooner or later even touch 5000-6000 levels and also if available at attractive prices do you feel one should collect L&T say at 650-700 levels.
Mohit, this is not he time to take predictions. Future depends on trust. How Government and SEBI react and bring the trust into system is very important?
In September, I underestimated the impact of Lehman brothers collapse.
In these situations, everything depends on how investors react. If FIIs and investors will become suspicious about every company results, it is difficult to stop the slide. This is crucial in the results season (which is already bad).
Except few shares in emerging companies, I don't have any shares in any stocks. So, I will wait for some time until the dust settles.
We are living in a country where the average income of 80% of population is just 2 dollars. Average income of another 10% of people is just 3 dollars.
We are living in a country whose people have highest money in Swiss banks.
As long as the corruption of this magnitude exists in system, it is difficult for us to make real progress.
One Infosys alone can not save us.
Tata fell. Satyam fell. More will come. TataS diverted the money of TCS to buy Jaguar and other nonsense. They will pay price.
Icons are falling. We need a strong leader like Narendra Modi (forget about his political mistakes) in this crisis situation. India has hard working and honest people. But they need a strong leader to stimulate them to achieve great things.
You cannot deceive people permanently.
When promoter is a scamster, don't even look at its shares. Future of Satyam shareholders and employees will depend on how Government will react to save Satyam.
Government may not take any steps to save Satyam as it is a services based company.
Raju is now in texas and he will be immediately arrested after landing in Hyderabad.
There is News that HCL is taking over Satyam
Hello Dr. Krishna..
I agree with you when u say the entire system is corrupted from top to bottom..Many number of big people will be involved in it as only then a thing like this can be un-noticed and we willl be the one to suffer the most..
Sometimes i wish i was a politician... ::p
Dr Krishna,
It is very difficult to know who are fraudulent. L&T bought 2% shares of Satyam.
Fidelity sold Satyam shares in block deal. Who bought 30% Satyam shares for delivery on 07-Jan-09?
172 Mutual funds have investments in Satyam.
http://www.valueresearchonline.com/funds/comres.asp?code=3483
Dear Krishna,
I feel the same is going to happen to IKF.
There are sources I know who told real bad things happening inside
Even as PURE speculative ones, it doesn't make sense to me to go near such stocks.
We need to stay everday with short term as we should not love our stock as there is not a long term make money with 5--10% gain and get out of the stock. We all are human beings get more into socialisim and get greedy. Satyam scam was know for us from 1 month but still people were buying till 7 January, comeon be realstic people had not made money large investor had exited before the panic has strated.
Who knows that Raju would have made billions by shorting in different identities on 7th Jan. Before resigning his people would have given put option and since the stock plunged 80% they would have made a lot of money. Nobody though about this.
Read this:
http://www.blog.happionaire.com/2009/01/did-raju-really-become-gentleman-or.html
Dear Investors,
Always remember the saying...
"Never put all your eggs in the same basket".
Many investors, old & new, would have invested their entire's life saving in Satyam as one of the Top companies of India.
Today, they have lost all those money even if their investment is old & cheap price.
This gives us lesson that one must DIVERSIFY well their portfolio. They should avoid investing all money in single company, no matter how good the fundamentals be.
You never know when a particular company will be struck by some Fraud/mis-management, unexpected loss, out-dated trend/technology, or any other unknown calamity.
-BULLS
My Chat & Mail id:
bull4bears@yahoo.co.in
Hi Dr Krishna,
I'm a reqular reader of your blog and sincearly appriciate your effort and simplicity.
I fully agree with your observation regarding the currption in our structure, even the auditors are hand in hand with the corporates,
What are your view on JP associates ??
Dr Krishna / Bulls
Satyam do not have cash now, Raju says he arranged 1230 Cr or so without any entry in the books. There is no legality for this 1230 Cr. Investors might have bough at various prices. Its book value is Rs 109 minus Cash/share is Rs 83, hence it is worth Rs 26. Now there is no brand value for intangible assets unless a highly reputed IT biggy take over it. People are talking of OBC take over of GTB, but don't forget Satyam work force is 53,000 against GTB work force is afew hunderds only.
Friday Satyam may be opened at Rs 10 who knows :-) :-)
What is the your recommendation to the investors if it is at Rs 10 or 15 - should one wait for take over or must book loss at any price it is and come out of Satyam?
1. As Bulls said, always diversify.
2. Never look at companies like JP Associates and GMR Infra etc which have close ties with politicians. Use them as short term money making vehicles but not as investment ones irrespective of earnings.
Ex. If Mayawati came to power, buy it to make money.
3. About Satyam. When a serious fraud occurs in a company, never look at it irrespective of price unless you know about acquisitions etc.
Total Money kept by corrupt politicians in Swiss Bank is $1.3trillion as i have seen on NDTV profit 4 days after Mumbai Attack. Namrata of NDTV shocked look @ guy who disclosed this amount.
Keep voting corrupt people.
We need centralized system to elect not good but BEST person to elect.
Dr Krishna / Bulls,
Who were buying Satyam on Wednesday, 30% shares are marked for delivery. Who are going to salvage Satyam?
What is the time frame for such disclosure to exchanges about huge buying in a company?
Dear Sir,
You had said in one of the post that GMR INFRA is going to replace IT stock in 2018 and now you are saying that avoid such stocks...
Please check your post
Friday, August 1, 2008
Top Indian stocks: 1998 Vs 2008 Vs 2018
My views on top Indian stocks by 2018:
1. Alternative energy stocks like Suzlon or Infrastructure stocks like Reliance Infra or GMR Infra may replace IT stocks.
2. Finance stocks like Reliance Capital are also serious contenders along with stocks like Reliance Power.
3. Metal stocks like Sterlite are dark horses.
4. Public Sector companies may bounce back if disinvestment process will be executed.
5. Reliance Retail which may be listed in 2009 is another strong contender for top 10 slots.
Everyone wants to know when the mother of bull run will come and how much years it will take for the world economy to recover...
I am repeatedly mentioning in the blog that this is the dynamic situation where situation is drastically changing. Don't go by old posts.
GMR Infra plans are good but Kakinada SEZ allotment (political nexus) and high valuations are concern. What will happen to share if Congress fails to come to power?
Is it necessary to take such high risks? P/E of more than 100 - unbelievable and unsustainable.
GMR Infra is a must buy if Congress returns to power. I don't know the basis behind these rumors. But the way A.P Government allotted Kakinada SEZ is raising eye brows.
Price at which you are entering is crucial.
I don't know the reason behind the steep valuations, it is currently enjoying. If you have the guts, take the gamble.
Alert to all members..
I have learned about huge accounting and real state fraud in IKF .. It is also talked that Pankaj Garg's resignation will followed by some others...Ths information is shared by one of my friend working in cholamandalam as he is highly invested in scrip and is about to clear his positions........Though this may be just rumors but anyone holding ths share should be cautions also to be noted promoters only hold 14% stakes....
Dont want to misguide anyone this is what I have heard ...just wanted to share with Dr Krishna and others you all are in market from long time and you have more knowledge of things here.
Thanks
Dear Doctor,
I noticed the comments on IKF by few of our friends. DO you have any legitimate news on this smoke.
If so, a lot of us can exit with out much burns.
regards
Shabu
i bought 2000 satyam stocks at 20. taking a chance. If the stock goes to 10 my downside risk is 20000 but if there is step in from govt then there is serious upside. My reasons are 1) I believe it is not possible to run an it business for so long with 3% returns. It is rajus biggest lie. 2) With 50000+ families involved directly and 200000+ families involved indirectly plus elections coming close by I dont think govt will take chances. Lets see how it goes...
Ramalinga Raju is now in Texas and may be arrested after his return from USA. But some sources are saying that he is still in Hyderabad and has in touch with his community leaders and politicians (Times of India).
Is this is the TOI?
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