Satyam Stock on Indian Stock Exchanges
Friday, January 9, 2009
Satyam Stock lost 90% of value in the last 2 trading sessions. Companies like Larsen and Toubro suffered huge losses in the Satyam investments. LIC along with these Companies and funds are still hoping for some miracles in the Satyam Computers. They are sitting on huge losses. We will know exact amount of losses when they actually sold their shares. Andhra Government is trying for a bailout package to save Satyam. Who will take such risk?
Just see how investors from Ramalinga Raju's native place have faith in Satyam Computers. Ramalinga Raju is now in Kompally guest house near Hyderabad and his health is deteriorated. Many people in Andhra Pradesh are still in absolute shock. More than 30,000 Satyam employees sent resumes to job portals. Satyam Computers will not give salarees to the employees for the next 2 months. Ramalinga Raju will appear before SEBI enquiry board on Saturday evening.
Inflation is at 5.91% against 6.38%. But inflation number is no longer a significant statistic. It is a reflection of drastic consumption slow down.
Satyam share after making a low of 10 sharply rebounded to 22. I don't know why someone is still buying this stock. According to my friends, Satyam is still a strong Company in some verticals like SAP etc.
Latest news: Telugu Desam Party asked for enquiry on the irregularities in the books of another Andhra Company, Lanco Infra (Congress M.P's Company).
India can no longer command significantly high valuations (20-30% premium) over other emerging economies. Companies with rumors about Corporate Governance will see huge fall in their valuations. They can no longer attract foreign investors except blind people like LIC who have significant holdings in Companies like Tata Motors and Satyam. Stocks like Suzlon, DLF, Unitech and Hyderabad based Companies are suffering huge losses in the markets.
Satyam Computers will soon face many law suits along with exodus of employess and customers. Who will want to do business with Satyam? Who will want to buy a Company like Satyam? Fundamental value of Satyam is zero because it is in services sector where trust represents 100% of value. If you lose the trust, your value is nothing. But what about political value of Satyam? It will depend on how Central Government will react to Andhra Government's request for Satyam's bail out.
Read this sentimental news about Raju's father-in-law.
Hope: Miracles are posible in India. This is a scam involving Andhra Pradesh politicians. I hope that they will do some thing to save investors and employees (in trying to save themselves). According to Times of India, 49,000 employees out of 53,000 will not get jobs anywhere else in this down turn. According to Telugu News papers, big banks (both local and foreign banks) are also involved in this scam.
Request to readers: As I am writing repeatedly in the blog that "don't go by old posts". We are living in a dynamic economy where things are changing on a daily basis. This market is strictly not for new investors. Even experienced investors are suffering big shocks (Satyam episode). New investors can earn life time lessons if they closely follow markets regularly but stay away from investments.
Another advice: Stock markets behave in strange ways. Sometimes, it will take just 2-3 sessions to gain/lose 50-80% of value unlike in other investments. Just see what happened to Real Estate and Hyderabad based companies.
DLF is trading above 300 when I gave a target 160 just 3 days back. What is the lesson?
When fundamentals are weak, it will fall to any level in just few sessions. But it is difficult to say when will it occur exactly? Even fundamentally strong companies like IVRCL Infra is falling just because it is a Hyderabad based Comapny. I will buy it after seeing the results or if it falls to 50 range.
But I no longer look at comapnies like Nagarjuna Costruction whose management has close ties with Satyam family. Nagarjuna Raju is a spiritual man but what is the logic behind the purchase of 1 acre land in Hyderabad for Rs 400 crore some time ago. Do you believe it? Absolute madness. Andhra Government gave advance payments to irrigation contractors in 2005-06 which helped them to take such bold decisions and helped for skyrocketing of real estate prices in Andhra Pradesh. Sudden credit squeeze spoiled the big plans of Andhra Businessmen.
About GMR Infra: One reader asked me about his purchase of GMR Infra at 83. Forget about rumors and political links. Is it make any sense to hold a company stock at a P/E of 130 that too in this market? Is it necessary to take such unnecessary risks?
One example about our management: Even a Company like Honda exited from Formula one to reduce costs. But our Mallya is sticking with Force India. That is all about business and management.
Stay tuned for more news and updates.
About IKF Technologies:
Many readers are raising doubts over the Promoter's corporate Governance. It is better to exit this Company unless you are a very high risk taker.
Request to readers:
Till date, I am writing what ever I wanted to express in the blog. I am requesting readers to suggest their opinions.
1. What are the other things you want to see in the blog?
2. When I first saw Raju letter on screen, my first thought is "Short it". Do you want to see such things in the blog?
3. I have some aggressive investment ideas for high risk takers. Is it right to write about such ideas in a blog mainly read by new investors?
4. Please share your other thoughts that you want to see in the blog.
Note: I am not responsible for your investment decisions. Interaction should be done only through comments in the blog. Please do not call/mail me with stock/portfolio related queries.
Note: Mail to dr.nvkrishna@gmail.com to know about my investment offers for long term readers.


34 comments:
i am an new investor, yes we want such kind aggressive investment ideas...... "if we want more gain we have to face more risk"
I think there should be post on fundamental analysis so that layman investor like me and others can understand the stock market very well before investing in the stocks...what you say...
Almost 95% of investors doesn't have knowledge on the stock market and because of insufficient knowledge they blindly invest in the stocks and suffer huge loses,but what about the literate stock investor they doesn't suffer any loses because of indepth knowledge they have on the stock market...
sir one request to you there are many investor who want to be like you...so can you pls start a post on fundamental analysis.....lot of investors would be benefited by this....what you say krishna and all members....other members pls comment on this....
Hi Dr. Krishna,
I wish you post all of the ideas and the associated risks.
Regards.
There are fresh investors who would like to invest in the stocks for long term but dont know the level at one should invest in the stocks..if you guide them it would be great....they need help from you...
3. I have some aggressive investment ideas for high risk takers. Is it right to write about such ideas in a blog mainly read by new investors?
We would like to hear from you...please go ahead...iam a new investor....
So, even new investors want to take risks. So, I will soon start posting short term investment ideas (even 2-3 days investments) along with routine posts on fundamentals and long term prospects.
Long term is good but this is a market for traders and short term opportunistic and ruthless investors.
Investors need to learn to take quick decisions.
Ex. When Raju letter news come out, even experienced people shocked. But who recovered quickly made huge money. They took risks and made money.
Mahesh bought at 63 and sold it 71. But it is almost a suicidal decision. He is just lucky to get that money.
When such a serious news broke out, one should sell not buy it.
Ex. I will tell you a hypothetical question. Markets are trading in green. Suddenly a news of big terrorist attacks or war news come. Markets will definitely react negatively, then traders take the stock of the situation and cover their positions.
This short covering sometimes deceive new investors.
Those who have the ability to analyse the situation and take quick decisions only make money. Tense people generally take bad decisions.
Many companies will face Corporate Governance issues like DLF is currently facing.
Wait for some days how Q3 results will come out.
Biggest surprise is everyone is talking only about Indian fundamentals.
What about economies of other countries? How FIIs are seeing India? How foreign media reporting Satyam issue? They are not saying "Satyam or IT Company" but an "Indian outsourcing comapny" in the headlines. They are planning to disrupt sentiment.
Brand India took beating and Government helped by not taking aggressive measures to revive trust in the system.
Hi Krishna, you were recommending ICSA and Tanla solutions a while ago, what do you think of them in the light of new events? Are they still credible or you think the management is suspect to post such fantastic results? Thanks
I think You should write about all type of aggressive ideas as well but ya if possible you should clearly mention that ...I mean u can say not for new investors....my views are that as a new investor we should know all the goings and learn lessons from that.
again great work Dr Krishna ..I would like to request readers of blog to appreciate great efforts of Dr Krishna by all means you can.
That is the problem. Investors will look at every Hyderabad Company with suspicion especially high growth ones.
In Andhra, Kamma, Reddy and Raju communities dominate the scene.
Tanla, ICSA, Gayatri, IVRCL and GVK are from Reddy community while Lanco and Madhucon are from Kamma community while Satyam and Nagarjuna are from Raju community.
GMR is from Vysya community.
Top leaders of Telugu Desam and Congress have close ties with these industrialists according to their communities.
Ramalinga Raju is a close associate of YSR and Chandra babu Naidu.
If Raju reveals all the secrets, many heads will fall in the Andhra Politics.
If we can't believe in results, it is better to stay away from stocks until trust will come back into system.
This is how the black money of the politicians get converted into white. Don’t believe in Ramalinga Raju's confession of inflating the balance sheets from the past nine years. This is highly impossible as the company is audited according to US GAAP by the renowned auditing firm PWC which has access to the company online bank statements.
The money is siphoned in the past few months and paid to various factious companies based in dubai and other tax heavens. Here the question is why Satyam money is transferred to bogus companies. Answer is simple, kick backs for awarding Rs58000 crore projects to his Son’s company Maytas and where did the money go? To Andhra Pradesh CM YSR and his coterie and the congress high command .
This is how kick backs supposed to be black money is converted to white money by Andhra CM at the expense of investors and stake holders.
This is known to everybody. But nobody will publish because there will not be any proofs and in future there will not be any action against Raju.
The state administration kept Raju and his colleagues vadlamani srinivas ,CFO Satyam and Sinha, CEO Maytas and their families in some undisclosed location
And forcing them to commit suicide so that the murkier deals will not come to light .
Today we have seen in forums and some news channels that Srinivas,CFO of Satyam
Attempted suicide which was condemned by Satyam . So today or tomorrow we may see that all the three people committed suicide and the doors to the bigwigs will close.
Thanks Dr. Krishna for mentioning my name.
"3. I have some aggressive investment ideas for high risk takers. Is it right to write about such ideas in a blog mainly read by new investors?".
I am ready....:). Though i am bachelor and on the job. So i want to take the plunge.
I love market very much. Because i read the market not only watch it.
I closely follow your blog only and my friends appreciated not only you your analysis but also me ;) because they said i found the right credible and integrity blog. Most of the blogs on the net about stocks are crap. i found none valuable. though i am blog reader of tech, biz and strategy since from 2004 i know how to guess the right content and content writer background.
Your blog seems to stand out from all the stock markets blog.
I request you to take some training on stk mkt by visiting major cities , for this i am ready to pay, so that we can inherit your knowledge. There are some things that you cant teach just by words like technical charts etc.
I found many copy cats of your blog , i request you to include Creative Commons Attribution .
Also one more REQUEST for you. Why dont you start SMS service so that we can hear tips from you, aggressive plans, finance, economics etc. I am ready to pay for that SMS service. Just like MyToday.
Waiting for your next plans. :)
Happy Investing.
Dear Sir,
Iam a stock investor and iam one year old as a stock investor,i took interest into the stock on jan 18 and iam trying to learn the art of investing into the stock market,i work as DBA admin and also do interested in fund analysis have taken the training from BSE,MUMBAI..
But dont have indept knowledge like you,want to be like you but to be like you needs little bit of god gifted talent...
Sir i go through almost 40-50 stock blogs but i found your blog full of informative and useful...
Sir can you pls post some stocks from MIDCAP that are going to be the multibagger in the future for long term investor 5-7-10 years....
Till now i had invested only in GMR INFRA,PRAJ IND AND IKFTECH...iam a high risk taker no matter if i lose the money...iam 10000% sure this stock will do well in the next 5 years or so...
Iam going to invest heavily in the stock market but i dont know the level one should start buying...
Drayl garper and mark faber says that market will retest to oct low but when does it going to happend....
Dear Dr. Krishna, thanks for your comments on Tanla and ICSA.
However, I am simply baffled that even people like you are now analysing companies' ethical standards based on caste and their political connections! I just could not understand what you were trying to hint at by giving telling us which company is owned by which community promoter?
Hi I'm value investor and I invest for long period, but I still keep liquidity of 20 to 30 % for short term movements in the market. So to answer your question. I would love to see your blog dominated by investment strategies the way it is. along with it you can give some good medium term outlooks on individual stock on a rare basis. The blog reader will have to decide on their own if they want to take the risk and venture into medium or short term trade.
But just to conclude, I think you should continue the great work and stay focused on long term investors.
Sir
We have benefitted very much from your non-partisan analysis. I request you to publish the negative change in fundamentals of companies or suspect companies, already listed by you in your blog so that we can also eliminate them from our watchlist.
We request you to continue to post your ideas, which we feel are non partisan and gives us some directions. Your long term ideas only we nee.
Saju George
We are missing the live market index on your blog...
Hi Dr. Krishna,
Pls pour in ur thoughts of shorting for high risk.Dont know if its appropriate to ask,but pls share ur thoughts to short today for monday.
Thanks
Hello Dr. Krishna,
I am an amateur investor in Delhi. I am a constant follower of your blog. You always mention about fundamentals of the company... I am an engineer with less knowledge on finance. I am often confused what to look for knowing the fundamentals... We can get the basic financial figures of any company quite easily on the net, but problem is how to interpret them.
Can you provide some information about this on your blog or can you point out to some other articles which explain them?
Thanks,
Stuti
Let me share one stock about which I came to know from this blog and got good profit.I bought Karturi Global at Rs 6.8 which went till Rs 19.I booked profit around 16.So I got huge profit.
Thanks Dr Krishna.
I am looking forward to ur tips for short term investment needless to say about your continous effort to educate novice investers like me.
Dear Doctor,
Thanks a lot for another informative post. The blog is really going nice.
Posting an authentic fundamental analysis on any company is not easy and required much hard work behind it. But I wish to see at least once in a week between your busy schedules.
Mr Raju’s letter was really SHORT in front of the bundle of information you provided with in no time. Heart full congrats to you.
I suggested a lot of my colleagues to follow your blog and they really feel worthy. Some of them are very new to stock market and interested to know more about the basics of stock market and technical terms like PE, etc…. Please do something for them and similar.
I don’t think, any of our readers say `No’ for your aggressive investment ideas. But I think its better to publish a detailed probable outcome to the blind followers. . If some one gains there will be no sound, but else the noise may come out. I am also eagerly waiting for such vibrant posts.
As I mentioned earlier, would like to see posts on gifted CEOs.
A post on the possible measures that can be espouse by SEBI, Stock Exchanges, State/Central Govts to avoid such scams (Satyam) by which the investors can sleep well. Something like an authenticated 3rd party evaluation on Q1, 2 , 3, 4 and Annual reports etc…..
Keep your great work and god bless you
Best regards
Shabu
Dear Mr. Krishna, I am a regular reader of your blog for the past six months. It is very useful and really informative. Great work keep going..
I have one question to U Mr. krishna,
People and media is giving all attention to Sathyams Scam. where those people gone when Rpower pulled lot of investor's money with out having any fundamental. Why the the Govt and SEBI is not taken any serious action against the Rpower Mgt?
Thanks and Regards
Saravanan
I know how much impact Satyam incident will have on Andhra economy. A Satyam employee from my native place (village) took loan for 30 lakh (Private bank+ private loans) to buy a plot.
Current price of that asset is just Rs 15 lakh. His family is already feeling tremors about future.
In India, no one will touch Ambanis etc. When RPL shares crossed 250, Mukesh Ambani sold shares without proper intimation. Same is true with many managements.
Indians (both media and people) have one classic habit. When any such incident occurs, we do "Hue and cry" for some days then we forget about it.
Just see what happned to Telecom Spectrum scam and Minister A. Raja in the Unitech spectrum scam.
Just see what happened to young IIT engineer in Assam who unearthed big scam in oil marketing companies. He was murdered within 24 hours.
In India, we should know our limitations. Enron scam was unearthed by whistle blowers (women) but they are surprisingly still living in USA.
I am a person from Medical field. My education is no way related with economics or accounting.
I don't know whether readers are overestimating my knowledge or I am underesimating my knowledge. If you believe that a person from medical field has knowledge on stock markets, you too can gain knowledge. Read and analyse the data. There are no shortcuts in stock markets.
Never become overconfident in stock markets due to some initial successes. Never understimate the seriousness of stock markets.
Believe me. No one can take even 80% of correct decisions. Learn to minimise losses and maximise profits. To take that decision, you need to have some experience and data for analysis.
Always take ruthless decisions in stock markets. No sentiments/ attachments with any stock.
Don't forget that you are investing hard earned money. You are responsible for your decisions.
Krishna,
I dont think it's good idea to include short term ideas in totally fundamental oriented and investment learning blog. Another problem that I see is, short term ideas not only require buy price but also sell price in terms of target/stop loss and I'm sure not many new investor have enough guts to follow same especially booking loss when stop loss triggers. And all such investor will end up blamming you for giving wrong advice. This will defame the repuation your blog has received over the period of time.
This is my personal opinion.
Dear Dr.Krisna - Truly i am worried by your hasty decissions for promoting trading concepts in this blog. You once mentioned that stock markets are not gambling houses but investment vehicles. So far i feel this blog is very healthy one that will not encourage speculation.
I see so many comments willing to take risks. But
1. How many of them can take it as a full time profession. because one has to to be constantly watching makerts.
2. How many of them can bear that huge psycological stress. Some times they may have 160/100 blood pressure.
3. How many of them will not curse you when they reach out of their limited losses.
4. How many of them will read books and do reaserch when they habituated to short term gain/loss.
5. As new investors how many of them can have balance of mind to control their greed and fear.
6. How many of them can follow your advice precisely and react very timely otherwise pit falls. Ultimately starting blame games.
7. How amny of them well diciplined not adopting herd mentality and total madness among crowds.
8. How many of them implement stop lose practise which is key essencial in trding.
Doctor, many readers are excited for short term gains. There are many other blogs which gives trding advices on minute basis. In my knowledge i didn't see any one succeed in trding. I know Warren Buffet also traded in his early stages. Trading skills can be gained over lot of observation and experience.
As you asked readers my view is a strict NOPE. AS always i thank you for your well versed analysis. And i respectfully request to you to protect Health & cleanliness of this blog as it is one among very few.
After reading all the comments, I decided not to give any short term investment ideas (except in rare circumstances). I know how some people may react when they actually lose money. I will not change the basic character of blog.
Some readers misunderstood my question on short term investment and trading.
Thanks to all the readers who frankly shared their opinions.
Iam working in IT field and i do have knowledge on fund analysis but it will be difficult to do the analysis like you,your analysis are true and a professional one even the experts will feel inferiority of complex...by seeing your post...
Iam a regular reader of your blog and you know me very well...
We all want to be like you..so pls tell us the truth behind your success....
Which magazines,newspaper you go through...so that we do also benefited by this...so we dont have to rely on the experts...
You are doing a great work....keep the good work going....
I told you in one of the comments that you should also post on fund analysis...so that layman investor like me do benifited by this...
Krishna i really like your blog,i rate this blog as one of the Top stock blogs in the planet...i also do research on stocks and i visit almost 40-45 stock blogs but i found a diamond blog...that blog is www.stockmarketguide.in and the analyst is MR krishna....
You are one of the best analyst in the world...
hi krishna ,You always mention about fundamentals of the company.so i invest Today in these stocks. please your opinion in these stocks for long term investment ICSA,KSOIL,BARTRONICS,PRAJ,IKF,GEODISIC,
OPTO CURCUIT,THERMAX
I read each and every magazine and follow all the famous websites.
My long term readers knew about the change in the depth of the blog. I learnt a lot after starting this blog. My initial readers (early 2007) definitely acknowldge this fact.
My habit of reading each and everything (irrespective of usefulness) for the last 10 years helped me a lot.
I entered into Medicine just for the sake of continuing family tradition. But technology and business are my favorite topics.
I always like and idolise those people who create jobs for others.
This people helped me in coming in contact with many great people who have great talents in their respective fields.
I have memorable experiences with 90% of people and bitter experiences with few people. But many of you may not know the hardwork I put behind in posting a single article.
I don't really feel that It is like trading advise to give short term advise on blog I totally disagree with this view, I think that you can write advise with 1 week perspective also it depends on the readers after all its everyones personal risk I personally feel you should write about some good ideas you feel.
Krishna you are doing great job I would like to request readers to appreciate krishna's work not only by comments but also by sharing small amount of profits we are making from his advise.
Mohit
Krishna,
I know how much tough it is to dig into the bottom of things moving from MAcro to the Micro view.
Made some good money shorting the Satyam stock. But sources in Hyd say the scrip might come up for delisting next week.
Do keep up the good work.
Rgds,
BSE Gems
HI..krishna..
.note some suggestions plz
1)reduce ur writing to 3 categories(A)Long term( 5,7,10,year span) with a monthly update b)medium term -weekely update c) short term depending on market ur time and market )
2)jus give an indication of stocks that are low and good to buy..at the moment..
3)Always remember the caption..PlAy SaFe..risk is ok but too much.... not OK..try to make ur readers a safe playeras u have undertaken a huge responsibility..though no legally..:-)
4)Try to find the low rates at which we can buy stocks Like..Larsen, reliance (INFRA,CAPITAL,POWER),tata(STEEL,..),mY favorite SuZlon, Moserbaer.., ION exchange, Tube investments and the like..
5)Also ask opinion abt some shares and sectors..all these will make ur dream come true..Most visited blogg.....
take care..and keep us posted
bowme
Dear Doctor,
Its a better decision that not to change the basic charecteristics of this blog even if, most of us wish to get short term stock advice from you. Its more important to keep the soul of this blog than worrying on looser's comments. Keep it up and continue your good work.
Thanks
Shabu
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